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The Knowledge Project Podcast

Dr. Julie Gurner (Part 1): Caring Deeply, Challenging Directly [The Knowledge Project Ep. #169]

On the first of two special episodes, acclaimed executive performance coach and doctor of psychology Dr. Julie Gurner goes in-depth on various strategies and actionable advice to help you meet your potential. During this portion of her interview, Dr. Gurner discusses discipline, motivation, the imaginary rules we learned as children that hold us back today, setting boundaries, the advantages of caring deeply and challenging directly, and more.

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Dr. Gurner has spent the past 14 years working with top-percentile executives, talent, and teams operating in fast-paced, competitive environments. She specializes in improving personal productivity, focus, and decision-making strategies, as well as developing high-performance cultures, teams, and executives. Her focus is on emphasizing ownership and leadership.

Here are a few highlights from our conversation:

Discipline requires a lot of push, right? “I’m very disciplined about my workout. I’m really going to push it.” Motivation is a pull. It is something that is internal that fuels you, that drives you.

Grit and happiness are actually correlated. When we see ourselves pushing through things, we’re proud of ourselves and we feel good about who we are.

We often think of people working for things, but they often work against things, too. They work against poverty. They work against their upbringing. They work against some of these things just as much as they’re working for them.

There are imaginary rules that everybody lives by. It shapes their world, what they try for and what they think…Most people are capable of far more than they imagine themselves to be. We stay small because we believe these imaginary rules to be true.

I love when I deal with people who are outliers because they are resolutely themselves.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Intro
00:24 – Discipline vs. Motivation
03:39 – On motivating other people
12:16 – Being a victim vs. being a survivor
21:20 – Breaking the imaginary rules of life
27:40 – How to (and why) to set boundaries
30:00 – The foundations of a good life
36:00 – Common patterns in outliers
40:00 – On confidence
49:00 – How to learn to take risks

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